Curse

Eavilexia · Oct 29, 2006, 06:43 PM // 18:43

lol. btw guys, if im right ...

4 players per team that enter, each wil have 3 heros, and 3 teams

((4 x 3) + 4) x3 = 48 not 36 :P

Daniel__ · Oct 29, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Alliance battles are great now, I can use my own builds and I dont have to team up with Whammo mending noobs and Echo meteor shower fast mesmers.

Azadaleou · Oct 29, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Daniel__

Alliance battles are great now, I can use my own builds and I dont have to team up with Whammo mending noobs and Echo meteor shower fast mesmers.

Yeah since you can't learn to work with people nor make friends in real life, you might as well pray that some divine force answers you and gives you automated friends. Who do what you say and follow you where ever you go. Some interaction that is friend. Go cry some more about people being noobs, your a noob for wanting automated players over live players. It shows that you don't even care about pvp.

Eavilexia · Oct 29, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

daniel u forgot the the echo/mending monks :P those pwn

master_of_puppets · Oct 29, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I havent had the opportunity to PvP yet since the release of NF but I did hear that there are a shitload of heros everywhere. I probably would support removing them from all PvP (except Heros battles obv)

But I just find it funny that something thats total garbage could be ruined lol. Seriously I havent even done an AB in 5 months and the few of them that I did were the biggest waste of time ever. I dont know if they've changed much since then but as I remember it, it was just a bunch of minion masters and touch rangers and mending wammos running around doing random stuff. No strategy whatsoever, basically came down to whatever team had less AFK leechers or quitters that won. AB is a lower form of PvP than RA tbh and it can hardly be considered the "pinnacle of PvP"

As I said I dunno of AB's have changed much since the last time I've done it so I might be making sense here or flaming the past.

Bankai · Oct 29, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I haven't tried it yet.

But AB just got revived.

Eavilexia · Oct 29, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

master_of_puppets, its stil a more layed back sort of pvp, but with a good premade 4man team its stil pritty good, winning is considerably harder than it was 2 months ago.

touch rangers and MM's dying out, the odd ranger stil plays a toucher probly because he cant play anything else, and he will kill the ppl that dont know how to slow him and move or kill his energy, and i have a N myself and personal opinion, MM is NOT suited for any form of pvp. i wil rather play a death / weaken necro, discord is such a good skill.

there is some decent teams in AB's these days on both sides. except for the ppl that cant relise there is more to pvp than the amount of damage your character can deal.

Zui · Oct 29, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Eavilexia

Im pritty sure i speak for alot of players in this topic, ever since factions was released i have seriously enjoyed the PvP of guildwars in the form of alliance battles, 12 vs 12 PvP games controling shrines to earn points and win.

I log in 2night as usual for some alliance battle fun just to enter and find myself fighting against a whole lot of AI, yes you guessed it, hero's. what happened to PLAYER vs PLAYER, what makes pvp enjoyable is not having to fight against the same stupid exploitable AI over and over, AI has never been realistic and wil NEVER be. it is not the same as player vs player. Now everyone wil bring his own personal monk hero's to alliance battles, how nice having a healer that wil never leave your side.

this has totaly ruined AB's for me personaly and i ask if any other players feel the same about this please speak up.

make arena's for noobs that cant PvP the proper way, to go fight with hero's but dont ruine good pvp with AI. PvP is what draw players to guildwars.

Until alliance battles are 12v12 without the use of hero's i doubt i wil ever take part in another alliance battle.

So Heroes' are bad for AB because they don't suck like the utter scrubs who usualy play ABs? Please, explain.

Daniel__ · Oct 29, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Azadaleou

Yeah since you can't learn to work with people nor make friends in real life, you might as well pray that some divine force answers you and gives you automated friends. Who do what you say and follow you where ever you go. Some interaction that is friend. Go cry some more about people being noobs, your a noob for wanting automated players over live players. It shows that you don't even care about pvp.

I am Ally of the Luxons, I ve donated over 650k faction, thats months of AB my friend, You dont tell me what AB is and isnt and what I see in AB and dont see and tell me if I can do AB or not.

Just so you get a clue, 5k faction = 5 games of AB won

you do the math.

Eavilexia · Oct 29, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

zui just read the post, there is quite alot of explaining, has nothing to do with suck or dont suck

Addone_Abaddon · Oct 29, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

omfg 48vs48 battles will own, like real wars.

Lord Mendes · Oct 29, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

u think heroes are a problem in AB?

visit the HA section and look at the first 2 threads, and then click that "B" button next time you are ingame and observe a broken tower or scarred earth game.
Killing bots is simply not PvP even if they r 10 times better than the average ABer (which is true imo)
End of story

Warrior Of The Toon · Oct 29, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

The novelty of heroes will wear off soon enough...

Zui · Oct 29, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Eavilexia

zui just read the post, there is quite alot of explaining, has nothing to do with suck or dont suck

To be honest, I did more than read the first post. I read the entire topic.

My comment was really more directed to this comment you made in your post:

"Now everyone wil bring his own personal monk hero's to alliance battles, how nice having a healer that wil never leave your side."

That has everything to do with one or more likely both players involved sucking, and sucking very badly. The reason I didn't quote just that sentence is because it's the finishing sentence of the only paragraph where you explain why it's bad for ABs.

Zui · Oct 29, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

u think heroes are a problem in AB?

visit the HA section and look at the first 2 threads, and then click that "B" button next time you are ingame and observe a broken tower or scarred earth game.
Killing bots is simply not PvP even if they r 10 times better than the average ABer (which is true imo)
End of story

That's very true. However, Alliance Battles aren't *real* PvP in many peoples' oppinions. They're not competitive, they requrie someone to PvE to even access them, they only real rewards they give are geared to PvE in nature, the full teams are 2/3s random, and on most of the individual teams, 3/4s of the players are ones that accepted a random invite(hence random), oh, and 99% of the players are absolutly horrible too.

Daniel__ · Oct 29, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I dont consider AB pvp because its full of pve players, but what i like about heroes is my monk actually heals instead of just being a monk to get a quick group, my warrior uses shock and not mending, and the interrupt mesmers are sweet insane, you get my point

Tyras · Oct 29, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

lol, since the heroes been able to join, Kurzick have been dominating xD

Dark Luke · Oct 29, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

And the faction border became stuck at Breaker Hollow since 23.5 hours ago...

Eroth · Oct 30, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

And here comes another differ point between luxns and Kurx: Lux don't use heros b/c we want to keep that pvp-killing some noob in europe feeling, while the kurz just want to win. Now, no offense to my own faction, but some ppl are being idiots. If u have extra force USE IT! Now I don't have NF yet so I can't acess heros, but I do make the best of what I've got. Now on the oppisite side the Kurx need to relax on the heros. Not everyone wants to be pwned unfairly. U have to have some balance. If doesn't make sense if one team has 18+ ppl v 12. Yea some of u probly think we're all being whiny little b*tches but all we want is a fair chance to play a game. How would U feel if U were on the reciving end of an unfair match?

Zui · Oct 30, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Eroth

And here comes another differ point between luxns and Kurx: Lux don't use heros b/c we want to keep that pvp-killing some noob in europe feeling, while the kurz just want to win. Now, no offense to my own faction, but some ppl are being idiots. If u have extra force USE IT! Now I don't have NF yet so I can't acess heros, but I do make the best of what I've got. Now on the oppisite side the Kurx need to relax on the heros. Not everyone wants to be pwned unfairly. U have to have some balance. If doesn't make sense if one team has 18+ ppl v 12. Yea some of u probly think we're all being whiny little b*tches but all we want is a fair chance to play a game. How would U feel if U were on the reciving end of an unfair match?

18 vs 12? What the hell are you on about, it's still 12 vs 12. It's just that some of those 12 on either side can now be Heroes' which are worse than descent player in every way possible.